"Illuminati, Greek illumination, name given to those who submitted to Christian baptism. Those who were baptized were called "illuminati" or "illuminated ones" by the Ante-Nicene clergy, on the assumption that those who were instructed for baptism in the Apostolic faith had an enlightened understanding.
Do they still exist? Apparently for some....
When creating this web site, we were under the belief that no one with any degree of education would believe there was a secret organization plotting for some 200+ years to control the world - and that the Masons were somehow a part of it. Boy, were we wrong!
Whenever conspiracy theory is spouted, the mysterious "Illuminati" (along with the Bilderburgers, The Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, and a plethora of others) are most often named as being responsible. Ironically, however, while many, many people can name those ostensibly belonging to the other conspiracy groups, the "Illuminati" is always left hanging as some secret, shadowy entity which no one can quite describe. Interestingly too, no one can quite identify what specific acts can be attributed to them - everybody's got their own lists. And no one in 225 years seems to have left the organization to reveal its secrets. Pretty powerful stuff..... (If you're not hearing the theme music for the X-Files right now, it's a CONSPIRACY!!!)
Not one single defector in 5 or 6 generations: think about that! That'd be your great, great, great grandfather. I wonder how many people reading this page can actually name someone from their family who lived in the 1700s. Those who want to persuade us that a secret Illuminati cabal did lead the world from the Renaissance to the 19th century, and/or that it continues to do so today have a very difficult burden of proof and have never come close to producing documents or actual evidence that such is the case.
Illuminati history
The Illuminati was a movement founded on May 1, 1776. Much is, retrospectively, made of both the May 1st date later used by the Russian Revolution as well as the 1776 date tying in to the American Revolution. In fact, since there are only 365 days in a year, the Russian Revolution was bound to occur on one date or another which would/could have a connection to some devious scheme. By 1776, the American Revolution was well along in its planning stages and there's no credible link to a group founded in what is today near Munich, Germany. It was begun by Adam Weishaupt who was educated by the Jesuits, not unlike many who sought an education in those days and in that place. His organization was composed of those who were then espousing the ideals of the Enlightenment: freedom of thought and equality amongst classes of people, ideas that were considered by the authorities as being heretical and treacherous, particularly since logical outcome of equality would preclude the continued existence of monarchy. They were ideas which today, anyone reading this website likely espouses: the right to think as one wishes and to exercise - within the bounds of law - their freedom of choice. At that time, though, freethinking was an anathema to those in power and subjected those who would think such heretical thoughts to imprisonment.
While some have suggested that the Illuminati was created to overthrow government and/or that they were behind the American Revolution, such ideas are without any real merit. Augustin Barruel and John Robison, even claimed that the Illuminati were behind the French revolution, a claim that Jean-Joseph Mounier dismissed in his 1801 book On the Influence Attributed to Philosophers, Free-Masons, and to the Illuminati on the Revolution of France. Barruel and Robison also wrote - essentially copying each other - trying to tie in Freemasonry to the plot. It is important to note, however, that both writers recognized that it was ONLY the 'Grand Orient'-type of Freemasonry being practiced in parts of France and Germany that was involved: never what we now term 'regular/recognized' Freemasonry stemming from the Grand Lodge of England! Robison, who had joined Freemasonry in his youth, was roundly criticized for his work, even by the Encyclopedia Brittanica for whom he had written articles!
In 1777, Karl Theodor became ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and, in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati. They had, by then, included the overthrow of political rulers in their goals and it's easy to understand how that could be a tad upsetting to those in charge. How many people were involved in the organization at that point is difficult to say. Some estimates are as high as 2000 but the simple fact is that once it was outlawed, the organization died - as would ANY organization where involvement could lead to a life in wretched prison confinement.
Weishaupt had modeled his group to some extent on Freemasonry and Illiminati chapters drew some of their membership from existing Masonic lodges.
Illuminati conspiracies
It is well established that by the end of the eighteenth century, the Illuminati had been effectively disbanded. That will surely burst the bubble of those who've come here seeking to find some buried bit of proof that they still exist and are today controlling the world.
Because of Freemasonry's inadvertent involvement and the misuse of Freemasonry by the Illuminati's founder who had become a Mason, the legends of its continued existence (and influence) persist into the twenty-first century tying the organizations somehow together. In fact, Weishaupt founded the organization and then tried to get the Freemasons involved. He achieved a very limited success in a couple of lodges but was soon seen as a 'user' and his group removed - not unlike the 'fake Masonry' of today, actually!
In the 1950s and 1960s, members of the John Birch Society made much of this supposed 'shadow' organization, using it as an effective substitute for their anti-Semitism. Perhaps some of the confusion regarding the organization is due to the fact that over time, the word illuminati came to be used more expansively for many enthusiasts of Enlightenment, including but not limited to the followers of Emmanuel Swedenborg. Nevertheless, the Illuminati's connection with Freemasonry was date-specific (the late 1700s) and place-specific (what is now Germany); it had NO involvement in Freemasonry elsewhere despite fanciful claims. Even the oft-mentioned 'Proofs of A Conspiracy' written in 1797 by Robison (and the root cause of so much furor in the United States as a result of one Boston Minister's fanciful claims made based on that book) notes that the Illuminati's brand of Freemasonry was NOT the same Freemasonry as found in England and from which all other legitimate Masonic lodges today can trace their ancestry.
Robert Anton Wilson
A HUGE amount of interest in the Illuminati stems, for those today, from Robert Anton Wilson (1932-2007). A self-described agnostic mystic, he was also an author, philosopher and, some would say, a comedian. Many endow Wilson with all-seeing power while others read his works as poking fun at society and those who would blindly read his writings as fact.
Because of his professed agnostic beliefs, the claim from the conspiracy-minded religious intolerants has even more fuel than someone else might have given it.
Wilson wrote some 35 books and many other works. His best-known work is the cult classic The Illuminatus! Trilogy: The Eye in the Pyramid, The Golden Apple, Leviathan (1975) which he co-authored with Robert Shea and advertised as "a fairy tale for paranoids". In it, he humorously examined American paranoia about conspiracies. Many, though, have accepted this as NON-fiction and have succumbed to even more paranoia - always, it seems, involving the Freemasons.
Briefly, the background of the Bavarian Illuminati puzzle is this. On May 1, 1776, in Bavaria, Dr. Adam Weishaupt, a professor of Canon Law at Ingolstadt University and a former Jesuit, formed a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati within the existing Masonic lodges of Germany. Since Masonry is itself a secret society, the Illuminati was a secret society within a secret society, a mystery inside a mystery, so to say. In 1785 the Illuminati were suppressed by the Bavarian government for allegedly plotting to overthrow all the kings in Europe and the Pope to boot. This much is generally agreed upon by all historians. 1 Everything else is a matter of heated, and sometimes fetid, controversy.
It has been claimed that Dr. Weishaupt was an atheist, a Cabalistic magician, a rationalist, a mystic; a democrat, a socialist, an anarchist, a fascist; a Machiavellian amoralist, an alchemist, a totalitarian and an "enthusiastic philanthropist." (The last was the verdict of Thomas Jefferson, by the way.) The Illuminati have also been credited with managing the French and American revolutions behind the scenes, taking over the world, being the brains behind Communism, continuing underground up to the 1970s, secretly worshipping the Devil, and mopery with intent to gawk. Some claim that Weishaupt didn't even invent the Illuminati, but only revived it. The Order of Illuminati has been traced back to the Knights Templar, to the Greek and Gnostic initiatory cults, to Egypt, even to Atlantis. The one safe generalization one can make is that Weishaupt's intent to maintain secrecy has worked; no two students of Illuminology have ever agreed totally about what the "inner secret" or purpose of the Order actually was (or is . . .). There is endless room for spooky speculation, and for pedantic paranoia, once one really gets into the literature of the subject; and there has been a wave of sensational "ex-poses" of the Illuminati every generation since 1776. If you were to believe all this sensational literature, the damned Bavarian conspirators were responsible for everything wrong with the world, including the energy crises and the fact that you can't even get a plumber on weekends.
Wilson then goes on to create a broad expansion of fantasy which - just as with Dan Brown novels in the early years of 2000 - are accepted as fact. It's a sad state on our ability to think that so many in society can't separate fact from fiction and today blather on with great fear and loathing about the evil Freemason/Illuminati treachery without a single provable example. In fact, some - in order to keep the bubble of fantasy from popping - suggested that RAW was the Grand Master (or inner head) of the Illuminati himself. Wilson always toyed with the accusations, and in typical RAW fashion, he's never denied it outright - finding the whole concept enormously amusing as well as helpful for book sales.
One cannot read any of RAW's material without a healthy sense of humor although many, many do. We've noted from the outset of this very website that those with beliefs stemming from white-hot religious fervor or extreme paranoid conspiracy have ZERO sense of humor and wouldn't recognize satire if it were a sausage that hit them in the head. Thus, the internet has a zillion and a half websites all postulating on the existence of an organization that no one has ever seen and which all rational explanations say simply couldn't exist, with or without the all-powerful Freemasons.
In 2009, however, a new work arrived on the scene - and truthfully, it was one that had all the trappings of 'nut case' on it. Its publisher was a very minor one, noted for sensationalist titles. The author - Terry Melanson - is the owner and developer of the "Illuminati Conspiracy Archive" where paranoia and absurdity reign supreme. He is also a noted anti-Mason, having 'foreseen' an occult revival with Freemasonry leading the way. A clear waste of money, I'd concluded at the outset.
However, despite my pre-judged conclusions, Perfectibilists is actually pretty good. The author has set aside all of the foolishness usually found on his website and has done what appears to be some great detective work. He notes that the Order of the Illuminati (the name to which the Perfectibilists was changed almost immediately) had approximately 2000-3000 members at its peak and he provides the biographies for hundreds of them. In addition, Melanson has sidebar 'excursions' into related topics, some an entire page, discussing things like the difference between the ACTUAL emblem of the Illuminati (the OWL!) and what we today think of as their emblem, that pyramid with the eye.
The book is interesting in that the primary text is less than 170 pages but then there are 'supplements' totaling another 300 pages along with an exhaustive table of contents. Footnotes are scrupulously provided and the professionalism with which this work was created is really quite impressive. Unfortunately, this may be similar to the way Mr. Melanson has provided footnotes about Freemasonry in his various online screeds so one should consider the material with a jaundice eye unless/until validations are made by trained historians - something that Mr. Melanson isn't.
What others say
Online we found an excellent summary of the entire Illuminati Conspiracy theory. We've placed it here with permission of the site owner. Perhaps you'll find it interesting....
The Illuminati Freemason Conspiracy
From Public Eye and Political Research Associates:
The Freemasons began as members of craft guilds who united into lodges in England in the early 1700's. They stressed religious tolerance, the equality of their male peers, and the themes of classic liberalism and the Enlightenment. Today they are a worldwide fraternal order that still educates its members about philosophical ideas, and engages in harmless rituals, but also offers networking for business and political leaders, and carries out charitable activities.
The idea of a widespread freemason conspiracy originated in the late 1700's and flourished in the US in the 1800's. Persons who embrace this theory often point to purported Masonic symbols such as the pyramid and the eye on the back of the dollar bill as evidence of the conspiracy. Allegations of a freemason conspiracy trace back to British author John Robison who wrote the 1798 book Proofs of a ConspiracyAgainst All the Religions and Governments of Europe, carried on in the secret meetings of Free Masons, Illuminati, and Reading Societies, collected from good authorities. Robison influenced French author Abbé Augustin Barruel, whose first two volumes of his eventual four volume study, Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism, beat Robison's book to the printer. Both Robison and Barruel discuss the attempt by Bavarian intellectual Adam Weishaupt to spread the ideas of the Enlightenment through his secretive society, the Order of the Illuminati.
Weishaupt was appointed a professor at the University of Ingolstadt in Germany around 1772 and elevated to the post of professor of Canon Law in 1773 or 1775 (sources conflict), the first secularist to hold that position previously held by clergy. Weishaupt began planning a group to challenge authoritarian Catholic actions in 1775, the group (under a different name) was announced on May 1, 1776. This group evolved into the Illuminati. The Enlightenment rationalist ideas of the Illuminati were, in fact, brought into Masonic lodges where they played a role in a factional fight against occultist philosophy. The Illuminati was suppressed in a series of edicts between 1784 and 1787, and Weishaupt himself was banished in 1785.
Weishaupt, his Illuminati society, the Freemasons, and other secret societies are portrayed by Robison and Barruel as bent on despotic world domination through a secret conspiracy using front groups to spread their influence.
Barruel claimed the conspirators "had sworn hatred to the altar and the throne, had sworn to crush the God of the Christians, and utterly to extirpate the Kings of the Earth." For Barruel the grand plot hinges on how Illuminati "adepts of revolutionary Equality and Liberty had buried themselves in the Lodges of Masonry" where they caused the French revolution, and then ordered "all the adepts in their public prints to cry up the revolution and its principles." Soon, every nation had its "apostle of Equality, Liberty, and Sovereignty of the People."
Robison, a professor of Natural Philosophy at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, argued that the Illuminati evolved out of Freemasonry, and called the Illuminati philosophy "Cosmo-politism." According to Robison:
"Their first and immediate aim is to get the possession of riches, power, and influence, without industry; and, to accomplish this, they want to abolish Christianity; and then dissolute manners and universal profligacy will procure them the adherents of all the wicked, and enable them to overturn all the civil governments of Europe; after which they will think of farther conquests, and extend their operations to the other quarters of the globe, till they have reduced mankind to the state of one indistinguishable chaotic mass."
Robert Alan Goldberg, in his book Enemies Within, summarizes the basic themes of the books by Barruel and Robison:
"Writing in the aftermath of the French Revolution, these monarchists had created a counterhistory in defense of the aristocracy. Winning the hearts and minds of present and future readers would assuage some of the pain of recent defeat and mobilize defenses. The Revolution, they argued, was not rooted in poverty and despotism. Rather than a rising of the masses, it was the work of Adam Weishaupts Illuminati, a secret society that plotted to destroy all civil and religious authority and abolish marriage, the family, and private property. It was the Illuminati who schemed to turn contented peasants 'from Religion to Atheism, from decency to dissoluteness, from loyalty to rebellion.' "
The major immediate political effect of allegations of an Illuminati Freemason conspiracy in Europe was to mobilize support for national oligarchies traditionally supported by the Catholic Church hierarchy. Across Europe authoritarian governing elites were coming under attack by reformist and revolutionary movements demanding increased political rights under secular laws. The ideas of the Enlightenment were incorporated by the leaders of both the French and American revolutions, and in a sense, these Enlightenment notions were indeed subversive to the established social order, although they were hardly a secret conspiracy. The special status of the Catholic Church in European nation-states was actually threatened by the ideas being discussed by the Illuminati and the rationalist wing of the Freemasons.
Several common conspiracist themes emerge from these two books. The Enlightenment themes of equality and liberty are designed to destroy respect for property and the natural social hierarchy. Orthodox Christianity is to be destroyed and replaced with universalism, deism...or worse. Persons with a cosmopolitan outlook--encouraging free-thinking and international cooperation--are to be suspect as disloyal subversive traitors out to undermine national sovereignty and promote anarchy.
Shortly after the Barruel book was published, conspiracy theories about the Illuminati Freemasons were mixed with antisemitism in Europe. This confluence took place much later in the US.
Abbé Augustin Barruel, Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism, second edition revised and corrected, English translation by Robert Clifford, (originally published 1797-1798, reprinted in one volume, Fraser, MI: Real-View-Books, 1995).
John Robison, Proofs of a Conspiracyagainst All the Religions and Governments of Europe, carried on in the secret meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies, fourth edition with postscript, (originally published 1798, reprinted Boston: Western Islands, 1967)
The Grand Lodge of British Columbia has some excellent in-depth material on this subject right here.
The Skeptic's Dictionary has an excellent article on this topic with many links to the leading conspiracists right here.
The Straight Dope responds to the bizarre charge that somehow the Masons picked May 1st as the day to celebrate Communism. We found their summary quite well done.
Some Masonophobes are absolutely 'over the moon' about the Illuminati. Karen Trenouth whose attempts to solve the 'Jack the Ripper' murders are hysterically funny doesn't seem capable of ending a paragraph without having included the word. Leo Zagami pretends he's actually a member - which leads one to wonder why those who most fear this ostensible organization don't wrestle him to the ground and make him provide some proof of all those he claims are members. Jew-hater Texe Marrs obsesses about sex and the Illuminati. You've got to wonder where HIS mind is at these days.
The Alumbrados, a mystical 16th-century Spanish sect, were among the societies that subsequently adopted the name illuminati. Later, the title of illuminati was used by a secret society founded by Adam Weishaupt that aimed to combat religious thinking and encourage rationalism." ---Microsoft Encarta2000 And in 2006 a reader wrote to advise that Microsoft was wrong and that the word actually comes from the Latin. Microsoft wrong? Perish the thought! It must be a Conspiracy!
ILLUMINATI EXIST AND RIGHT NOW IT IS CLEAR EVEN IF U DONT BELEIVE IN THE NAME ITSELF....THAT THEIR IS A NEGATIVE FORCE GOVERNING THE WORLD THAT HAS BEEN DEVLOPED AND RAN BY A GROUP OF RICH BUISINESS MEN AND MEMBERS OF CERTAIN MONARCHS.. DID U EVER WONDER WHY MOST KINGS AND QUEENS ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE RELATED IN SOME WAY....FOR EXAMPLE THE HOUSE OF WINDSOR WHICH IS THE HOUSE THE QUEEN BELONGS TO IS A LESSER BRANCH OF THE GERMAN MONARCH....AND THE QUEEN HUSBAND IS OF ANOTEHR HOUSE ORIGINATING IN BELGIUM I BELIVE....THEY ARE ALL LINKED....SINCE A WHILE BACK WHEN FIGHTING THEY SHARED THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AMONG THEM TO KEEP THEIR ROYAL *la*hDLINE PURE.....THEY ALSO SET LAWS TO ENSURE NO ONE ELSE WILL BE ABLE TO SHARE THEIR SPOILS....U THINK OBAMA IS NOT RELATED TO THEM TO BECAUSE HE IS BLACK??? THAT WAS ALL A PLAN TO AND IF U REALISE JAY Z AND ALOT OF BLACK PEOPLE ARE GETTING FILFY RICH....TRACE THEIR FAMILY LINES AND U WILL REALISE THAT COINCIDENTALLY EVERY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS RELATED TO A EUROPEAN MONARCH THIS WORLD SLEPT WHILE THIS ALL HAPPENED AND RIGHT NOW THEY WILL PAY FOR THEIR SLUMBER...THINK THIS IS COINCIDENCE GO DO RESERCH FROM MORE THAN ONE SOURCE THE BIBLE INCLUDED AND U WILL BE SHOCK HOW IT ALL FALLS IN PLACE...SAY THESE THINGS IN PUBLIC AND U WILL BE DEEMED A MAD MAN BECAUSE THE TRUTH ABOUT HISTORY ALTHOUGH AVAILABLE IN EVERY LIBRARY HAS BEEN OMITTED FROM ACTUAL SCHOOL TEACHINGS
ur just using the illuminati to summarize what u dont understand. there are many secret societies now and past in the world, the illuminati is just one of the most popular suh everything unnuh blame them u mafo like most of us has european connections as well? dont? is ur name purely if any; african r asian? or somewhere else not europe? does that make u part of that "conspiracy"?
DARKLAW WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND IS THE ORGANIZATION OF THE ILLUMINATI...THEY ARE NOT JUST ONE OF THE SECRET SOCIETIES THEY ARE THE GROUP OF SECRET SOCIETIES....THE FREEMASONS THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS...THE ELKS...THE MONARCH....AND ALL THAT....DO SOME RESEARCH FROM MORE THAN ONE SOURCE AND U WILL SEE WHAT I AM SAYING NOT JUST ONE BIG ARTICLE FROM ONE SOURCE.
The Illuminati (plural of Latinilluminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, the name refers specifically to theBavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.
In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy "power behind the throne", allegedly controlling world affairs through present daygovernments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the BavarianIlluminati. In this context, the Illuminati are believed to be the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of a New World Order.
THE ILLUMINATI WAS FORMED WITH THE ULTIMATE PURPOSE OF CONTROLLING THE WORLD SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY...IT IS AN ALLEGIANCE OF SECRET SOCIETIES THAT CAME TOGETHER TO INCRIMINATE THE CHURCH AND DISGRACE THEIR TEACHINGS TO THE POINT WHERE PPL WOULD NO LONGER BE BOUND BY CHURCH LAW AND CHURCH DOCTRINE...THE FREE-MASONS STARTED AS MASONS AND PLAYED A MAJOR PART IN THE BUILDING OR MAJOR AND STRATEGIC ILLUMINATI BUILDINGS USED UP TO NOW TO GOVERN THE WORLD.....THREE CITIES IN THE WORLD (VATICAN city , WASHINGTON dc AND CITY OF LONDON) ALL 3 BUILT BY FREEMASONS....ALL THREE INHABITED AND USED BY THE ILLUMINATI...THESE 3 CITIES ARE INDEPENDANT AND ARE NOT BOUND BY THE LAWS OF THEIR LAND...THEY ARE CALLED CITY STATES.
RESEARCH THEM THINGS....AT THIS POINT IN OUR EXISTENCE IT DOES NOT EVEN MATTER IF U CAN PROVE THIS BECAUSE U HOLD NO POWER OVER THE ILLUMINATI...ILLUMINATI IS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS CALLED THE: ILLUMINATED ONES (ENLIGHTENED ONES). IF U KNOW AND U AH TRY DECEIVE PPL DAT NAH GOOD LAW....IF U DOH KNOW AND U WAH KNOW DOH TAKE IT FROM ONE SOURCE DO RESEARCH AND COMPARE...ERRYTING ME SAY IS TING DEM ADMIT ALREADY AND TINGS DAT CAN BE PROVEN....THEIR IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE SECRET SOCIETY AND THE GOVERNING BODY....BUSH IS SKULL AND BONES AND SO IS HIS FATHER....HOW COME THEY WORKING TOGETHER WITH FREEMASONS? ASK YOURSELF THAT. IT IS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY ARE IN DIFFERENT CULTS THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOHEMIAN CLUB AND MEMBERS OF THE ILLUMINATI MOVEMENT.
MEMBA AH JESHUA ME SAY AND JAHWEH ME SAY TO D FULLEST...TAKE IN KNOWLEDGE OF THE LIVING GOD AND EVERYTHIGN WILL BE CLEAR...CUZ HIS WORD IS LIKE A CANDLE UNTO UR FEET...AND ONLY IN HIM CAN ALL THINGS BECOME TRANSPARENT...BECAUSE HE MADE THE DARKNESS HIS SECRET HIDING PLACE...SO DEM CYAAN HIDE INNA HIM OWNA SHADOW UZZIMI
-- Edited by Mafo on Saturday 27th of November 2010 08:41:19 PM
why dont u take that "more than one sources" to ur bible? im sure u kno that bibble was disigned by man with many of it destroyed b4 hand. i do check more than one sources and what i see is that ppl ignore the real illuminati and beleive this nonsense about the all powerful one to satisfy their own paranoia and try to explain what they dont understand. blaming the illuminati for evrything is just childish rant. if half the truth has never been told, then half the lies have never been revealed. the real sinister actions in this world ppl fail to see
I did research alot of research on these sources....but it kinda puzzle's me as to why u are defending the illuminati??....I mean how do u know how broad my scope of knowledge is on the subject??.....I am not even using the bible as my major source of info....infact i am not using it at all because i respect everyone's religion and i realise not everyone believes in god or even believe in the same doctrine.. I am using the actual sources u see around u like i said the 3 independant states...its a known fact that they were built by free-masons and they are currently being used by the illuminati...the man who started the illuminati is name Adam Weishaupt who was born in Bavaria (Bavaria, formally the Free State of Bavaria, is a state of Germany, located in the southeast of the country. COINCIDENCE?? the Duke of Bavaria became a Prince-elector of the Holy Roman Empire. The Kingdom of Bavaria existed from 1806 to 1918, and Bavaria has since been a free state (republic). Bavaria is a predominantly Catholic state with a distinct culture. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit : Jesuit priests and brothers also sometimes known colloquially as "God's marines"[2] are engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations on six continents reflecting the Formula of the Institute (principle) of the Society. NOTICE THAT THE FOUNDER OF ILLUMINATI WAS A MEMBER OF THE PRIEST ORDER OF JESUITS ORIGINATING FROMT HE CATHOLIC CHURCH....ALSO NOTICE THE FACT THAT IT STARTED IN UPPER BAVARIA AND THAT IS LOCATED IN GERMANY I WILL TIE IT ALL UP FOR YOU. COINCIDENCE?? Lets trace some lineage of how Bavaria the country in which illuminati was founded is directly connected with the monarchy in almost every European country and how The queen of England is a member of such the Bavarian house too. Full name: Elizabeth Alexandra Mary House: House of Windsor NOTICE THE NAME OF THE HOUSE TO WHICH THE QUEEN BELONGS...HOUSE OF WINDSOR The House of Windsor is the current Royal House of the Commonwealth realms. It is a branch of the German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (German: Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha). The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is a German dynasty, the senior line of the Saxon House of Wettin that ruled the Ernestine duchies, including the duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. It is also the royal house of several European monarchies, and branches currently reign in Belgium through the descendants of Leopold I, and in the United Kingdom through the descendants of Prince Albert. NOTICE THE NAME OF OF THE HOUSE AND THE DUTCHY: (Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) Full name: Johann Adam Weishaupt House: (Gotha, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha)
I CAN GIVE U SO MUCH PROOF TO SHOW YOU THAT ILLIMINATI WAS DESIGNED AND STARTED BY MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN LEAGUE WITH MONARCHS, FREE-MASONS, RICH BUSINESSMEN AND WORLD LEADERS.....ALL FOR ONE PUPOSE TO ENSURE THAT THEY RULE THE WORLD AND NOT LOSE THEIR MONARCHY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY...AMERICA IS A TOOL USED BY ENGLAND TO SUSTAIN THEIR WEALTH...DO U KNOW AMERICA PAYS TITHS TO ENGLAND?? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FORMER COLONIES STILL DO THAT....DO U KNOW THAT THE INDEPENDENT CITY OF LONDON IS THE MOST CENTRAL POINT OF COMMERCE AND THE NEITHER THE PRIME MINISTER OR ANYONE IN THE BRITISH EMPIRE CAN PASS ANY LAWS THEIR...THE CITY OF LONDON ONLY ANSWERS TO THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND...LOL DARK LAW U NEED U DO SOME SERIOUS RESERCH OR ATLEAST TRY TO DEFEND ILLUMINATI BETTER PAWDIE...ILLUMINATI IS DEEPLY ROOTED IN THE EXPLOITATION OF AFRICA AND THE WESTERN WORLD TO SUSTAIN THEIR MONARCHY...KNIGHTS TEMPLARS DID THE SAME THING TOO REMEMBER :))
ute the original illuminati was an offshoot of the freemasons which got destroyed for being too ambitious. the freemasons n illuminati have many denominations today just like christianity; there isnt enuff unity amoung them to have one single controling organization plus many ppl like u and me use their names as weopons to fund their selfish desires. if the correct study was done u'd realize some of those connections u mentioned are fictitious just like origins of most monarchs claiming *la*hd decendance from biblical icons.
how can u talk bout summin u know nuttin about....huh?????
@ DEVIL
This is the problem with secret societies and Satanic denominations.....you ppl think that u are actually secretive to the point that no one knows about u and so u go about using phsycology and trickery to mask your true intent...I will explain why u can never move undetected and will always be seen by those who have eyes to see you...
ANALOGY:
If you are tracking a snake and you know nothing about snakes then you might never find it or when u find it u might even know u found it. and instead of you suprising the snake it will surprise you ....So you have a couple options either pick up a book or BOOKS about tracking snakes, or you higher a very good tracker and you now have a 98% if not better to surprise or track the snake right??....That is our advantage....we have such a book/BOOKS and we also have a very good snake tracker to track the movements of That snake
@ Darklaw
The illuminati was never an offshoot of freemasons....The original illuminati was an offshoot of the Jesuits....Did you not read above??...The founder of the illuminati was a Jesuit....The Jesuits are catholic priests....Unless you can prove anything i said as FALSE...or prove what u said as TRUTH in all right you have a bunch of speculations and as it stands i gave you a group of FACTS that can proven....I do not care about the illuminati or free-masons or any such cult because everything they do is so apparent that their movements are totally transparent to those who want to see....The United States Government, The Head Of the Commonwealth (Queen), The Pope (and the entire Catholic Church Hierarchy ) are members of the Illuminati...This is the mark of the beast...Look back at your life 20 yrs or even 10 yrs ago....Dont u realise it has gotten harder even though their is no limmit on the recources being we had...Infact their is an increase on recources....Do you know that on wall street and in Washington that it is a proven fact that sometimes farmers are payed not to distribute their crops, while you have people starving in Africa and in third world countries....HOW WAS IS SO EASY TO WIPE OUT HAITI DEBT??...DONT YOU THINK AMERICA AND ENGLAND AND THE OTHER COUNTRIES CAN HELP THE SITUATION IN HAITI?? THEY WILL NOT BECAUSE HAITI IS NOW A BREEDING GROUND FOR HAITI AND VIOLENCE...ALL THIS %&%* IS BEING CAREFULLY PLANNED...JUST LIKE HOW GAZA IS A BREEDING GROUND FOR HAIT...THEY ARE DEMORALIZING THE MUSLIMS ONE OF THE GROUPS WHO APPOSE THEIR NONSENSE...THEY DID 911 AND THEY DID ALOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAS CAUSED THE COST OF LIVING TO RISE...AN EXAMPLE IS THE DOUBLE WAR IN IRAQ BY THE TWO BUSH'S...BOTH OF WHOM ARE MEMBERS OF SKULL AND BONES.
EVERY PRESIDENT WHO SITS IN WASHINGTON IS A MEMBER OF THE ILLUMINATI...IT IS MADE TO LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN ELECTIONS BUT REALLY AND TRULLY U DONT....BOTH THE LEADING CANDIDATES WHO ARE PRESENTED TO YOU ARE MEMBERS OF ILLUMINATI...IF YOU THINK I LIE TRACE THEIR EDUCATION BACKGROUND...AND THE CLUBS THEY ARE MEMBERS TO...THAT IS WHY NO MATTER WHO U VOTE FOR NOTHING EVER SEEMS TO CHANGE...BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL MANCHURIAN CANDIDATES AND THEY HOLD NO POWER BY THEM-SELF...THE REAL POWER BEHIND THE THRONE AND WASHINGTON IS ILLUMINATI.
THAT IS WHY THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND IS NOT THE HEAD OF THEIR ROYAL HOUSE...AND AS A MATTER OF FACT IT IS A LAW THAT NO WOMAN CAN BE THE HEAD OF THE ROYAL HOUSE OF WINDSOR...the head of the House of Windsor (cadet branch of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) is Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester
RESEARCH AND PROVE ME WRONG AND I WILL CONSIDER WHAT U SAYING...FOR NOW YOU ARE JUST SPEAKING BLINDLY AND YOUR WORDS HOLD NO DIRECTION...NO ONE NEEDS TO MAKE ILLUMINATI LOOK BAD...ALTHOUGH I AGREE THAT THEIR ARE ROGUE FACTIONS OF ILLUMINATI...HOWEVER I ASK YOU HOW CAN U DIFFERENTIATE WHICH IS ROGUE AND WHICH IS REAL?? ANSWER THIS ATLEAST AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW I KNOW THE ONES DOING THE EVIL ARE THE REAL ONES <<-------------------------HINT HINT***
how can u talk bout summin u know nuttin about....huh?????
@ DEVIL
This is the problem with secret societies and Satanic denominations.....you ppl think that u are actually secretive to the point that no one knows about u and so u go about using phsycology and trickery to mask your true intent...I will explain why u can never move undetected and will always be seen by those who have eyes to see you...
ANALOGY:
If you are tracking a snake and you know nothing about snakes then you might never find it or when u find it u might even know u found it. and instead of you suprising the snake it will surprise you ....So you have a couple options either pick up a book or BOOKS about tracking snakes, or you higher a very good tracker and you now have a 98% if not better to surprise or track the snake right??....That is our advantage....we have such a book/BOOKS and we also have a very good snake tracker to track the movements of That snake
@ Darklaw
The illuminati was never an offshoot of freemasons....The original illuminati was an offshoot of the Jesuits....Did you not read above??...The founder of the illuminati was a Jesuit....The Jesuits are catholic priests....Unless you can prove anything i said as FALSE...or prove what u said as TRUTH in all right you have a bunch of speculations and as it stands i gave you a group of FACTS that can proven....I do not care about the illuminati or free-masons or any such cult because everything they do is so apparent that their movements are totally transparent to those who want to see....The United States Government, The Head Of the Commonwealth (Queen), The Pope (and the entire Catholic Church Hierarchy ) are members of the Illuminati...This is the mark of the beast...Look back at your life 20 yrs or even 10 yrs ago....Dont u realise it has gotten harder even though their is no limmit on the recources being we had...Infact their is an increase on recources....Do you know that on wall street and in Washington that it is a proven fact that sometimes farmers are payed not to distribute their crops, while you have people starving in Africa and in third world countries....HOW WAS IS SO EASY TO WIPE OUT HAITI DEBT??...DONT YOU THINK AMERICA AND ENGLAND AND THE OTHER COUNTRIES CAN HELP THE SITUATION IN HAITI?? THEY WILL NOT BECAUSE HAITI IS NOW A BREEDING GROUND FOR HAITI AND VIOLENCE...ALL THIS %&%* IS BEING CAREFULLY PLANNED...JUST LIKE HOW GAZA IS A BREEDING GROUND FOR HAIT...THEY ARE DEMORALIZING THE MUSLIMS ONE OF THE GROUPS WHO APPOSE THEIR NONSENSE...THEY DID 911 AND THEY DID ALOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAS CAUSED THE COST OF LIVING TO RISE...AN EXAMPLE IS THE DOUBLE WAR IN IRAQ BY THE TWO BUSH'S...BOTH OF WHOM ARE MEMBERS OF SKULL AND BONES.
EVERY PRESIDENT WHO SITS IN WASHINGTON IS A MEMBER OF THE ILLUMINATI...IT IS MADE TO LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN ELECTIONS BUT REALLY AND TRULLY U DONT....BOTH THE LEADING CANDIDATES WHO ARE PRESENTED TO YOU ARE MEMBERS OF ILLUMINATI...IF YOU THINK I LIE TRACE THEIR EDUCATION BACKGROUND...AND THE CLUBS THEY ARE MEMBERS TO...THAT IS WHY NO MATTER WHO U VOTE FOR NOTHING EVER SEEMS TO CHANGE...BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL MANCHURIAN CANDIDATES AND THEY HOLD NO POWER BY THEM-SELF...THE REAL POWER BEHIND THE THRONE AND WASHINGTON IS ILLUMINATI.
THAT IS WHY THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND IS NOT THE HEAD OF THEIR ROYAL HOUSE...AND AS A MATTER OF FACT IT IS A LAW THAT NO WOMAN CAN BE THE HEAD OF THE ROYAL HOUSE OF WINDSOR...the head of the House of Windsor (cadet branch of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) is Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester
RESEARCH AND PROVE ME WRONG AND I WILL CONSIDER WHAT U SAYING...FOR NOW YOU ARE JUST SPEAKING BLINDLY AND YOUR WORDS HOLD NO DIRECTION...NO ONE NEEDS TO MAKE ILLUMINATI LOOK BAD...ALTHOUGH I AGREE THAT THEIR ARE ROGUE FACTIONS OF ILLUMINATI...HOWEVER I ASK YOU HOW CAN U DIFFERENTIATE WHICH IS ROGUE AND WHICH IS REAL?? ANSWER THIS ATLEAST AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW I KNOW THE ONES DOING THE EVIL ARE THE REAL ONES <<-------------------------HINT HINT***
"Weishaupt had modeled his group to some extent on Freemasonry and Illiminati chapters drew some of their membership from existing Masonic lodges."
ofcourse the monarchs have *la*hd connections: thats how they keep their power and in todays world most ppl have ancestoral links to many ppl in the ancient world monarchs or not.
an authenthic illuminati is one that aims for freedom of thought and equality etc. which is bad business for religions and bureaucracies etc. which is the lesser evil is up to an individuals opinion. the "all controling illuminati" is just a defence mechanism by those who feel opressed and are uncomfortable that the world isnt going as they wish it. so they find "proof" and feed their conspiracy to those who share their feelings. they're just connecting a puzzle while ignoring the missing peices. u can claim the presidents are illuminati all you want, that they are all a part of some evil scheme is nonsense; apart from the fact that present ppl have interesting ancestry and some files of family trees that still exist(some of which have doctored content), what are u gonna do compare *la*hd samples of them with ancient ppl who's entire physical being has rotted away centuries ago? no one uses psychology more than religious ppl ute remember that. i cant tell you i know everything but i can tell you; you dont. call me blind all you want but many of the truths you belive in so strongly are evolved lies and there are many truths that will never be known because they went to the grave with many a ancient ppl.
OK Now answer this Why would the man who started the illuminati be Jesuit himself (Catholic priest), if the purpose of illuminati is suppose to appose the church?? Why did it all began in a city that was a strong Catholic stronghold...The Monarchy of that city upper Bavaria was bestowed by Rome...Explain how it is suppose to appose the church if it was fashioned by a priest and was developed on the basis of such??
Also explain why the Ruling monarch also originated from that same City above?? Is that a coincidence also and a piece of the puzzle that we try to connect??
You are ignoring the face that the illuminati name and title itself is a very religious conotation in itselft??...Why would a group apposing religion take upon itself religeious customs, be founded by a very religeious figure (A Jesuit)...And be devloped in a the most religious city at the time....who happens to have a kingdom which was bestowed upon them by the most religeous city of current time Vatican Rome...And to make it even more compelling, why is that this ancient monarchy where where all these things connected be still be the ruling monarchy right now??...And coincidentally that monarchy is the head of a church (Anglican Church) which is fasioned after the Roman Catholic Church, where the founder of Illunimati was a prominent figure.... IMAGINE ALL THIS IS A COINCIDENCE??
I WILL SAY THIS THE ILLUMINATI HAS NEVER APPOSE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH OR WHAT IT STANDS FOR...VATICAN HAVE SOME OF THE BEST SCIENTIST AND ASTROLOGERS RIGHT NOW AND VERY MUCH IN FAVOUR OF SCIENCE. INFACT ILLUMINATI IS A GROUP THAT ORIGINATED FROM ROMAN AND CATHOLIC PRACTICE BY A HIGH MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, A JESUIT ( Johann Adam Weishaupt) WHO WAS A MEMBER ALSO OF THE SAME HOUSE THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ORIGINATED FROM (Gotha, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha). ARE U SERIOUSLY TELLING ME THAT ALL THESE THINGS WHICH ARE CONNECTED ARE JUST A CONCIDENCE OF BL.O.O.D LINE CONNECTION, RELIGIOUS CONNECTION, POLITICAL AFFILIATION?? THE SUPPOSED ENMITY BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND ILLUMINATI THAT U SEE ON TV IS JUST A REAL GOOD DRAMA MOVIE THAT TOM HANKS STARRED IN NOTHING MORE
wtf ute did i say he wasnt religious? there are alot of "christians" in the vatican who are devil worshippers etc, everyone kno that. majority of the monarchs were formed under christiandom when rome had evolved from the roman empire to the roman catholic church, they formed through the allowance of rome. its only recent times that the vatican allow scientist and the like amongst them--in ancient times they would have exterminated them like how they did Galileo and others. wtf u tek mi fa bout tv
YOU SAID: "an authenthic illuminati is one that aims for freedom of thought and equality etc. which is bad business for religions and bureaucracies etc."
I AM DISPUTING IN MY POST THAT THIS ABOVE STATEMENT BY U IS NOT TRUE AT ALL....THAT ILLUMINATI WAS DEVELOPED BY A HIGH RANKING MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH...ALSO IN A HIGHLY CATHOLIC CITY....AND THE FOUNDER WAS OF THE SAME HOUSE WITH THE QUEEN...WHICH IS THE REIGNING MONARCH HOUSEHOLD IN MOST OF EUROPE...AND ALSO THAT HOUSE IS THE HEAD OF THE ANGLICAN CHURCH...WHICH IS FASHIONED AFTER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH....THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING...ILLUMINATI IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC SPIRITUAL, GOVERNMENT/MONARCH DEVELOPED TO CONTROL PEOPLE WITHOUT FORCE...THEY DO IT WITH PSYCHOLOGICAL GENIUS
600-670: Christians gain effective control of Britain. (Lindisfarne era.) 590 Gregory I ("the Great"), a Benedictine monk, elected bishop of Rome. 596 Gregory decides to send a mission to Britain, after punning on "Angles" and "angels", "Deira" (York) and "de ira" (God's wrath), and so forth. 597 Augustine, first archbishop of Canterbury, another Benedictine, arrives in Kent. He baptizes King Ęthelbert (who already has a Christian wife). Gregory authorizes Augustine to develop liturgy and other practices especially for the English-speaking people, thus beginning the Anglican church tradition. 616 Irate pagans pursue Mellitus, bishop of London, and Justus, bishop of Rochester, to Canterbury. King Ęadbald is so impressed by the courage of Lawrence, archbishop of Canterbury, that he becomes a Christian. 627 Paulinus, first bishop of York, converts King Edwin of Northumbria. 632 Aidan, bishop of Lindisfarne ("the holy island"), begins missionary work in Northumbria, battling pagan sorcery. 651 Cuthbert, shepherd-monk, becomes prior of Melrose Abbey (later bishop of Lindisfarne, still later hermit and preacher to seals and gulls.) 663 Synod of Whitby, at Hilda's mixed-sexes monastery. The English church will conform to Roman rather than Celtic practices. (This begins the period of Roman authority.) 668 Theodore of Tarsus, an elderly Syrian, ordained archbishop of Canterbury, establishes boundaries of dioceses. England is now a Christian nation, and paganism has been driven underground (as witchcraft). 670 Wilfrid of Ripon, a high-churchman famous for his brilliant oratory at Whitby, goes to Rome to be ordained bishop of York. 672 Wilfrid assumes office with much pomp. (Humble Chad, who had been bishop of York, is moved to Lichfield; Theodore forces him to ride a horse rather than walking about his new diocese.) 678 Wilfrid has alienated everyone and loses control of York. He spends the rest of his life travelling as an outstanding missionary and church-builder.
The Jute kingdom of Kent was in the southeast corner of England, and in 597 a delegation of monks arrived from Rome, headed by Augustine of Canterbury (26 May 605) (not to be confused with his more famous namesake, Augustine of Hippo (28 August 430)). Ęthelbert, king of Kent, was a pagan, but his wife Bertha, a Frankish princess, was a Christian, and he welcomed the strangers, listened politely to their invitation to convert, told them that he was resolved to continue in the religion of his fathers, and gave them a plot of ground and permission to build a church and to preach to anyone who cared to listen. Four years later, after at least 10,000 of his subjects had converted, Ęthelbert himself was baptized. He did not pressure his remaining pagan subjects to follow him, but gave the missionaries help and encouragement in their preaching, built the cathedral of Saint Andrew in Rochester and the monastery of Saint Peter and Saint Paul (later the cathedral of Saint Augustine) at Canterbury; and influenced the conversion of King Sabert of the East Saxons, in whose territory he built the church of Saint Paul, London. He died on 24 February 616; but because that is the Feast of Matthias the Apostle, he is commemorated on 25 February.
The Christian Church was established in the British Isles well before 300. Some scholars believe that it was introduced by missionaries from the Eastern or Greek-speaking half of the Mediterranean world. Celtic Christianity had its own distinctive culture, and Greek scholarship flourished in Ireland for several centuries after it had died elsewhere in Western Europe.
However, in the fifth century Britain was invaded by non-Christian Germanic tribes: the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. They conquered the native Celtic Christians (despite resistance by, among others, a leader whose story has come down to us, doubtless with some exaggeration, as that of King Arthur), or drove them north and west into Cornwall, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. From these regions Celtic Christian missionaries returned to England to preach the Gospel to the heathen invaders. Meanwhile, the Bishop of Rome, Gregory the Great, decided to send missionaries from Rome, a group of monks led by their prior, Augustine (not to be confused with the more famous Augustine of Hippo). They arrived in Kent (the southeast corner of England) in 597, and the king, whose wife was a Christian, allowed them to settle and preach. Their preaching was outstandingly successful, the people were hungry for the Good News of salvation, and they made thousands of converts in a short time. In 601 the king himself was converted and baptised. Augustine was consecrated bishop and established his headquarters at Canterbury. From his day to the present, there has been an unbroken succession of archbishops of Canterbury.
In 603, he held a conference with the leaders of the already existing Christian congregations in Britain, but failed to reach an accomodation with them, largely due to his own tactlessness, and his insistence (contrary, it may be noted, to Gregory's explicit advice) on imposing Roman customs on a church long accustomed to its own traditions of worship. It is said that the British bishops, before going to meet Augustine, consulted a hermit with a reputation for wisdom and holiness, asking him, "Shall we accept this man as our leader, or not?" The hermit replied, "If, at your meeting, he rises to greet you, then accept him, but if he remains seated, then he is arrogant and unfit to lead, and you ought to reject him." Augustine, alas, remained seated. It took another sixty years before the breach was healed.
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-- Edited by dark_law on Sunday 28th of November 2010 07:33:53 PM6. Anglicanism from 1662 In 1662 Cranmers Prayer Book and the old Church of England episcopal system was restored. The 1662 Book of Common Prayer was a revised version of the 1552 and 1559 Prayer Books. The Act of Uniformity of 1662 resulted in 3000 clergy and laity leaving the Church of England. These Dissenters wanted a more reformed Church. The Church of England had moved further into the middle between the Reformed churches and the Roman Catholic Church.
6.1 James II and William III James II, the brother of Charles II, became King in 1685. He was strongly Roman Catholic and neither Anglicans nor Dissenters supported him when, in 1688, William III (William of Orange) and Queen Mary replaced him.
William was a strong Protestant. In 1689 the Toleration Act was passed which allowed dissenters to worship independently from the Church of England. This was a most significant development. From then on different kinds of Christian churches could develop side by side in England.
6.2 The Eighteenth Century In the 18th century the moral and spiritual life of England declined. New religious societies were started to help improve the life of the church and the nation. Pietism, a movement from Europe, introduced an emphasis on emotions and personal experience.
New intellectual movements rose from the work of philosophers such as Newton, Locke, Pascal and Descartes. They questioned accepted beliefs and put forward a new method of establishing truth. This new method was based on reason and questioning. This period of intellectual change is known as the Enlightenment.
The Industrial Revolution changed the nature of society as factories were built and people moved to the cities looking for work.
-- Edited by dark_law on Sunday 28th of November 2010 08:38:47 PM
nice history lesson Law but it did not support your claims about the illuminati in any way u do realise that right....and incase u dont know what u dealing with...mabe its fascinating and all because trust me i have seen my share of extra ordinary things hence why i did alot of research and stuff....but this is not something to enter blindly or to be influenced by others without totally proving its basis....If you want the 2 of us can reason it out and i will be happy to share what i know about it with u...if u still decide to go down that roads that is your choice.